Cofty:"What does that say about your moral compass?"
Ablebodiedman:"That everything was created by God and it is entirely up to him to decide what is moral or just.
The determination of what is moral does not belong to the people who he created."
ABLEBODIEDMAN, I ask..Why not? And WHY does God get to decide for all of us what is moral? Is it:
A) Because God said so
B) Because we owe him our lives.
C) Because He has more experience after aeons of existence, and He believes this makes him more able to decide what is moral.. Which of course brings us back to A.
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If it is A, then He is nothing more than a ruthless dictator who kills anyone who disagrees with him.
If it is B, then our parents must have the moral right to kill us, because we would not exist if they did not create us and decide to bring us into the world.
Or if we were to create a clone of a human being, we would have the moral right to tell it what to say and think, enslave it, or kill it as we wished.
Does that match up with your belief regarding morals?
Would you let your child, or the clone you created, do what they wanted, without killing them for exercising their freedom of mind in a way that runs contrary to your way of doing things?
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If you don't believe in God, Jesus, and everything in the Bible, you are willfully ignorant.
by defender of truth inablebodiedman posted~ 10 mins ago (8/16/2014).
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"i absolutely 100% believe in god, jesus christ and everything recorded in the bible.. the reason why is because of the overwhelming amount of evidence.. there is so much evidence that it has taken me years to examine what has cemented my own convictions.".
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If you don't believe in God, Jesus, and everything in the Bible, you are willfully ignorant.
by defender of truth inablebodiedman posted~ 10 mins ago (8/16/2014).
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"i absolutely 100% believe in god, jesus christ and everything recorded in the bible.. the reason why is because of the overwhelming amount of evidence.. there is so much evidence that it has taken me years to examine what has cemented my own convictions.".
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Ablebodiedman, will God destroy mentally handicapped people who can't even learn or understand the Gospel?
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If you don't believe in God, Jesus, and everything in the Bible, you are willfully ignorant.
by defender of truth inablebodiedman posted~ 10 mins ago (8/16/2014).
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"i absolutely 100% believe in god, jesus christ and everything recorded in the bible.. the reason why is because of the overwhelming amount of evidence.. there is so much evidence that it has taken me years to examine what has cemented my own convictions.".
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((What charity shall I give the £10 to Abe? PM me. It was worth it.))
Just to repeat this..
I asked ABLEBODIEDMAN:
"Do you believe that those who don't believe in Jesus will be destroyed, when he comes at some time in the future, as stated at 2Thessalonians 1:7-9?"
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by defender of truth inablebodiedman posted~ 10 mins ago (8/16/2014).
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"i absolutely 100% believe in god, jesus christ and everything recorded in the bible.. the reason why is because of the overwhelming amount of evidence.. there is so much evidence that it has taken me years to examine what has cemented my own convictions.".
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Finkelstein, good point.
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Top Ten Scriptures Not Highlighted at the Meetings
by Perry inbut we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;... is.
64:6. in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins ... eph.
1:7. him god raised up on the third day, and showed him openly, ... he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is he who was ordained by god to be judge of the living and the dead.
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Exactly, I agree. That's another good reason to always challenge religious beliefs.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/adult/282764/1/A-key-reason-why-some-atheists-challenge-religious-beliefs#.U_CvvF2t-o8 -
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by Perry inbut we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;... is.
64:6. in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins ... eph.
1:7. him god raised up on the third day, and showed him openly, ... he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is he who was ordained by god to be judge of the living and the dead.
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Gerrit Losch talks to poor South Americans about Materialism while wearing THREE (3) gold rings and 2 gold cuff links...
by Calebs Airplane inhe also talks trash about higher education .... (for those who know some spanish, view this youtube video...).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suxhx1ho_nq.
what an idiot.. .
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"Jehovah loves children,the Governing Body loves children too"
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2 Samuel 12:14
"However, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also who is born to you shall surely die.”
15 Then Nathan departed to his house.
And the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife bore to David, and it became ill.
16 David therefore pleaded with God for the child, and David fasted and went in and lay all night on the ground.
17 So the elders of his house arose and went to him, to raise him up from the ground. But he would not, nor did he eat food with them.
18 Then on the seventh day it came to pass that the child died."
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And here are a few more examples of how much that God loves children..
"Infanticide:
1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.
Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be“dashed upon the rocks”. "
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by Perry inbut we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;... is.
64:6. in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins ... eph.
1:7. him god raised up on the third day, and showed him openly, ... he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is he who was ordained by god to be judge of the living and the dead.
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^ Verses that JW's try to not talk about, or at least not think about.
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by Perry inbut we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;... is.
64:6. in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins ... eph.
1:7. him god raised up on the third day, and showed him openly, ... he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is he who was ordained by god to be judge of the living and the dead.
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Judges 1:19
English Standard Version
"And the LORD was with Judah, and he took possession of the hill country, but he could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain because they had chariots of iron."
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2 Samuel 12:14
"However, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also who is born to you shall surely die.”
15 Then Nathan departed to his house.
And the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife bore to David, and it became ill.
16 David therefore pleaded with God for the child, and David fasted and went in and lay all night on the ground.
17 So the elders of his house arose and went to him, to raise him up from the ground. But he would not, nor did he eat food with them.
18 Then on the seventh day it came to pass that the child died."
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2 Samuel 24:10
And David’s heart condemned him after he had numbered the people. So David said to the Lord , “I have sinned greatly in what I have done; but now, I pray, O Lord, take away the iniquity of Your servant, for I have done very foolishly.”
12 “Go and tell David, ‘Thus says the Lord : “I offer you three things; choose one of them for yourself, that I may do it to you.”’
13 So Gad came to David and told him; and he said to him, “Shall seven years of famine come to you in your land? Or shall you flee three months before your enemies, while they pursue you? Or shall there be three days’ plague in your land? Now consider and see what answer I should take back to Him who sent me.”
14 And David said to Gad, "I am in great distress. Please let us fall into the hand of the Lord, for His mercies are great; but do not let me fall into the hand of man.”
15 So the Lord sent a plague upon Israel from the morning till the appointed time. From Dan to Beersheba seventy thousand men of the people died.
16 And when the angel stretched out His hand over Jerusalem to destroy it, the Lord relented from the destruction, and said to the angel who was destroying the people, “It is enough; now restrain your hand.” And the angel of the Lord was by the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.
17 Then David spoke to the Lord when he saw the angel who was striking the people, and said, “Surely I have sinned, and I have done wickedly; but these sheep, what have they done?" -
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by defender of truth inablebodiedman posted~ 10 mins ago (8/16/2014).
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"i absolutely 100% believe in god, jesus christ and everything recorded in the bible.. the reason why is because of the overwhelming amount of evidence.. there is so much evidence that it has taken me years to examine what has cemented my own convictions.".
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Sorry, double post